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Monday, October 1, 2012

The Poisoned Well: Your Most Disappointing Favorite Artist



I saw Prince play live for the first time in 1981 at a small club in NYC called The Ritz. It was soon after I discovered what is still my favorite of his records, "Dirty Mind," and only a short time before I saw him again at Radio City Music Hall touring behind his first real success, 1983's "1999."
Then came "Purple Rain," and the rest, as they say, is history.

Between 1984 and 1997, Prince Rogers Nelson became a personal obsession. Some of it had to do with the quality and diversity of his output, obviously. During that time, Prince was convincingly covering genres from dirty funk, psychedelic pop, jazz fusion, heavy metal, electronica and rhythm and blues. But it was the bottomless pit of unreleased music that sealed the deal for me. It was an endless supply of more of the same, and so much of it was good. In many cases, it was better than what was commercially available.

I couldn't get enough.

Here was an artist, arguably the only artist, who could sing freely about sex, and somehow still please the masses. Prince held nothing back. He'd perform in a jockstrap and grind on a stage prop bed. He'd use words like motherf**ker and p*ssy liberally.  No one seemed to mind. We were captured by the sounds, the whole package probably. There was no time to be shocked or offended by a few nasty words.

Plus, this little motherf**ker could play the guitar.
 
But then, between 1989 and 1997, the road got a bit rocky.

Batman. Jehovah. The name change to a symbol. Larry Graham. A wedding. Lawsuits. Jehovah.

 There is still a wealth of fantastic music to be found during those years, and as a matter of fact, "Graffiti Bridge," "The Gold Experience" and "Emancipation" remain favorites, if a bit dated. But something happened inside the man that no jockstrap or James Brown groove could fix.

It began to fall apart.

The music Prince has released since 1999...the year, not the album... is some of the most tossed off and soulless music of not only his career, but in the history of music.

"New Power Soul"
"Rave Un2 The Joy Fantastic"
"The Rainbow Children" (THE RAINBOW CHILDREN!!)
"N.E.W.S"
"Musicology"
"3121"
"Planet Earth"
"LotusFlow3r"
"MPLSound"
"20Ten"

What the hell happened? That is one impressive line of crap.

Here's his new track.



Meh.

The streak of unlistenable Prince music has gone on for so long, it has made me less of a fan of all the music I had once loved.

The well has officially been poisoned.

So, all that said--

Who is the one artist who you once loved but now can no longer tolerate? The one artist who has poisoned your well.

I only ask that you follow one guideline.

This artist must be someone you've consistently given the benefit of the doubt. In other words, if you loved Joe Jackson's first three records and then were appalled by his forays into latin pop and jazz and haven't listened to a record since 1982's "Night & Day," Joe is not who I am looking for. It must be someone who you've welcomed into your musical life through thick and thin, and then finally woke up and smelled nothing but the thin. Someone you still listen to, though you know the bloom was off the rose many albums ago.


50 comments:

  1. That's the easiest question in the world. Lou Reed comes immediately to mind. No one has a bigger rep based on less. That "Metal Machine Music" isn't the artistic low point in his career says it all.
    Can you say "Lulu"?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HC9Z_D8hFiA

    Here is a really funny Lou tribute/parody by Georgia quartet The Bogues. Enjoy "My Name Is Lou".

    http://alanwalkerart.com/audio/my_name_is_lou.mp3

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  2. Now, you stipulated *artist* -- so that eliminates bands that the bloom went off the rose for me a while ago (BNL, REM, Steely Dan, U2, Weezer...)

    And, I'm assuming it has to be somebody who is still making music *regularly* (so I'm leaving out Bowie and Gabriel...)

    So, this leaves me with 4 artists (3 of which who came from bands) that I think the bloom is off the rose:

    Elton John
    Elvis Costello
    Paul Weller
    Paul Westerberg

    If I had to pick one of them -- this is hard.

    For me, it's a toss-up between Elton and Elvis...

    I've listened to everything they've released, so I looked at Wikipedia for each of them and tried to remember the last time I played something from a recent album (or played the album in full.)

    With Elvis -- it's the excellent "Painted from Memory" -- with 6 albums since then (not counting stuff like "North") that I couldn't tell you a song from any of them.


    And looking through Elton's discography, I now realize there are recent albums I haven't played probably since their release, but that I still have good memories of.


    So the "winner" in this respect would probably be Elvis C. (I still find it hard to believe that I think the loss of Bruce Thomas killed my interest in Elvis' music. I wouldn't have guessed that.)

    I *respect* Elvis immensely and would still probably see him in concert if it came up (more than Elton these days), but the rose has no petals left at this point for me.


    But *poisoned the well*? That would mean flipping on *any* track (even the classic tracks) by any one of the bands/artists mentioned above would automatically have me hitting the "skip" button? I don't think I've ever gone that far with any artist.

    "This Year's Model"? "Imperial Bedroom"? "God Give Me Strength"? I couldn't imagine ever *not* spinning those albums/tracks again...


    But the new stuff -- it has gotten to the point where I don't buy it any more, I have no interest in free internet downloads and -- if I remember -- I *might* check it out from the Library. But I probably won't -- unless there's an "Attractions" reunion album at some point. Or EC gets divorced and there's an album full of "angry old man" tracks...

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    1. I'll stick up for Elvis. I'd say that the only ones that I don't ever listen to are Sugarcane and National Ransom. As those are his last two it is, admittedly, a bit worrying. They are both too long but even if they were vinyl length there simply aren't enough good songs on there. Even if you collapsed both into one set I'd be struggling with it. But albums like Momofuku, When I Was Cruel, The Delivery Man... for me they all have some gems. Song For Rose, 45, Alibi, No Hiding Place, American Gangster Time, Country Darkness, Either Side Of The Same Town, The River In Reverse...I love those tunes. The ratio of gems to stinkers might have taken a downward slide but I'd seriously recommend you give those albums another try.

      Hell, if I'm in the right mood, I even love North.

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    2. OK, I may go so far as "When I Was Cruel" as being OK. But beyond that, I've tried to relisten to THe Deliver Man, etc, and they just went by and were forgettable once finished.

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    3. Oh, c'mon! Is there anything you would listen to by Elton since the 70s? Elvis's work may be a bit spotty lately, but the 80s weren't a total wash, and it's been honest, unlike Mr. Cha-ching Lion King. Momofuku is invigorating! I still like Paul Weller, too. Westerberg never had the staying power to really be considered (or has he been doing stuff and I just had no idea?)

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  3. as a Prince fan, I get your disillusionment. Maybe even moreso, because Emancipation was 3 discs of awesome. I listened to it thinking the flood gates would really open now. Then, not so much. Now i give each new library copy one listen and return it, except for Planet Earth which got 2 or 3 listens because it deployed Steely Dan's mU chord mercilessly. Which brings me to...

    Steely Dan. I used to dream up ways of getting their songs in a Broadway musical. I rationalized the replacement of Denny Dias with LA studio guitarists. Still, I couldn't figure out how they they grabbed awards for Two Against Nature - it sounded like a Gaucho jam session, with the cynicism turned to bile. Then Everything Must Go appeared intended as a carbon copy of it, an even more cynical move. The breaking point was the mega-priced ticket charge for rote concert peformances of the recorded songs. I'm done, except those first four albums sound so great. Now I mark their decline with the first appearance of Michael McDonald on the albums.

    Lesser so, Aerosmith - the early albums got me through a lot of crap. I bought anything engineered by Jack Douglas, and I even liked Done with Mirrors. But the ghostwritten songs piled up and the Idol gig was unforgiveable. Now they are cartoons, but still kind of loveable as lifers.

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    1. Word.

      Actually, the question for me is, "has Sting ruined The Police"? I'm not sure about the answer, but the question is there. Depends on the day.

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    2. In fact, I was listening to the first Grinderman album last week thinking, this is the anti-Sting (who, at this point, should really be called Stingless, hmm, maybe we should have a renaming contest... how about Tiresome). Grinderman is guys getting older, but you can hear them kicking over trash cans not only with exuberance, but with confidence they may never have had so solidly as younger men.

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  5. i'm with buzzbabyjesus. it's lou reed. for whatever reasons some band become popular in some neighborhoods, the velvets and lou were big in mine growing up in MA in the mid 70s. i loved him. sure, MMM was absurd, but coney island baby was great and even street hassle hung in there. i liked the bells, and parts of growing up in public. after that, we grew apart. i never could see the supposed genius in the blue mask. the reviews continued to be great through the 80s. i mostly quit reading them after new york, which i found almost entirely unintersting. since then, i've barely paid attention. sometimes it is only a lou song poping up on my ipod that reminds me i really really liked him at for years.

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  6. King Crimson. From the early days of Court of the Crimson King through Red, they were beyond anything else out there. Then the change up to Discipline, Beat and 3 of a perfect pair, further line-up changes brought Thraak and B,Boom, all fabulous....and then the fall...Konstruction of Light started it and it was all downhill after that. I saw them 4 times, starting in '82 until finally in 2008 they were so awful I couldn't bear it. Meaningless noodlings leading from nowhere to nowhere. It had all turned to dust. While I still listen to the earlier albums, it's only the releaes of concerts from long gone days that are of any interest.

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    1. I love the muscularity of Thrak, and The Power to Believe is great, too. So, pthbthbthbbbb (raspberry sound)

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  7. Glad to see Sal giving some love to Graffiti Bridge, which I've always had a soft spot for. My entry in this category would have to be Brian Wilson. If find something both sad and nauseating about all his solo work, even the Smile record (the re-recording, not the Beach Boys box), though I've approached them all with open, even eager ears. Just the sound of his voice post-70s I find cloying.

    I would have said David Byrne--Talking Heads were once one of my favorite bands but lost me somewhere in the middle of Little Creatures--even more so than Brian Wilson, because there's something about Byrne's public persona that's so goddamn irritating (maybe the faux naifish thing doesn't play so well in middle age), but it turns out I really like that Imelda Marcos pop opera or whatever it is. So you never know...

    Bruce H

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  8. For me it has to be Gov't Mule or Joe Bonamassa. I really liked eir early albums... a lot. Their recent work has increasingly left me cold to the point I don't have the desire to listen to the old stuff very often. Gov't Mule has been especially tough for me as I loved those early lps with Woody.

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  9. Ok, if I didn't before, I'm going to risk getting laughed out of here. I think Paul and Elvis are all pretty good choices but for me of the great if not the greatest disappointment is Jimmy Buffett. Back in the late 60s and early 70s, he put out three really terrific albums: A White Sport Coat and a Pink Crustacean, Living and Dying in 3/4's Time and then the one that topped them all, AIA. There was also Havana Daydream', which while not as consistent had some great songwriting on it.

    His early stuff was poignant, wistful, clever and melodic. Songs like "A Pirate Looks at 40 and Trying to Reason With Hurricane Season are still on my playlist more than 35 years later. There's no question he was one of this country's best singer/songwriters back then. I could easily put together a CD's worth of best ofs from that day, and there wouldn't be a weak cut on it. Then came Margaritaville (which I think is a fine song) and it all went to shit. The more popular he became, the more he put out crap records, thinking his stupid Parrothead fans would buy anything and come out to his concerts no matter what garbage he wrote and recorded. Unfortunately, he was right. He got rich, lazy and full of himself and a great talent, was, as he indicated, wasted away in Margaritaville.

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  10. Elton John's releases on MCA up to and including A Single Man were absolutely brilliant pop confections. However the bloom quickly wore off afterwards (1980 0nwards) to the point of nausea. How could the same artist who released Goodbye Yellow Brick Road be the same guy who produced Leather Jackets or any other over blown throwaway since then? An incredible waste of talent. Jaw dropping disappointment.

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  11. First, about Prince. I'm in the same boat. Adored him for years; but still adore everything up through "Graffiti Bridge." After that, he subjugated songwriting and melody to simple rhythmic imperatives and it got boring. James Brown could get away with that, but I expect more craft from Prince.

    Second, I kinda like that new song!

    OK, as for artists who have driven my fandom away... Elvis Costello would be right up there. I've come back around to him lately, but for about 10 years I thought of him as "someone I used to like a lot in college but get nothing from now." In fact, I got so little from him in those years, I started thinking even his early stuff was not great. Now I'm partly back; although I still don't buy his albums anymore.

    REM definitely drove me off. Good thing they stopped when they did, so their early stuff can still be said to comprise most of their oeuvre.

    Not many others though. My real favorites have tended to stay that.

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  12. I don't remember the Ritz being small.

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  13. Good calls on Paul Westerberg and Lou Reed, although I wouldn't go so far as to say I've abandoned them. Westerberg has annoyed me tremendously with the "release albums that are really basement demos and purposely distort/inject sound clips into the songs" routine. It's like he's given up -- maybe he has, given that he's stopped even doing that. Reed, I recall, got weird for me around the time of the "don't settle for walkin'" motorcycle ad, and then the album New York, which was critically heralded, but sounded to me like some guy phoning it in and beating the "New York" thing to death, which he still does. But ... he still puts out the occasional great track, even if he talks the lyrics.

    I'm also not fond of Radiohead post-OK Computer, a band that took a wrong turn and kept going, bolstered by millions of fans who seem to think shit tastes good. Flamings Lips seem like they've done the same on their last 2-3 albums: completely lost the thread of melodic pop and grown experimental in ways that are just not good.

    But for me? ROD STEWART. We all thought his 80s pop stuff was awful. Bad news: it's like Mozart compared to this American Songbook nonsense. Who buys these albums? Fans? I'm a fan. I could never buy something that horrendously awful. And even without the songbook concept, his albums just grew even more bland and off-the-track over the years to the point where I'd never buy one. That's the difference between him and all the other artists mentioned. I'll still buy their stuff, if only piece-meal MP3 tracks as opposed to whole albums. But I won't even listen to anything Rod does anymore, because I know I won't like it. And we all know this was a guy who was once as good as it gets in terms of pop-rock music.

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  14. First, I'd like to also stick up for Elvis C. "National Ransom" was a huge let down for me, but a lot of that had to do with its lousy production, and partially because I really loved "Sugarcane," and what appeared on "Ransom" sounded like leftovers. Sure, EC doesn't make the same records he once did, but no one can say he's phoned it in.

    @Oldrockr1

    Interesting about Gov't Mule, though I still loved them after Allen Woody. My issue with them is that Warren Haynes just doesn't stop, ever, and it shows. His band, the Dead, the Allmans, solo shows, guest appearances...he never stops. There's too much music, even the live shows have become predictable.

    Thanks to Bill Repsher for his comments on Radiohead. Could be the first time anyone has ever agreed with me on that point.

    To Jeff K.

    I know nothing before or after "Margaritaville." That was always a novelty to me that I never wanted to explore further. I honestly can't say I've heard a single note of Buffet's aside from that, and what I heard in the distance as I was leaving the New Orleans Fairgrounds once his set for the Parrotheads began. I am interested now.

    @Bruce H.

    Thanks for the Brian Wilson comments. I thought the redo of "Smile" was horrible, though not quite as horrible as "Orange Crate Art." We all pull for Brian, but that doesn't make him listenable. It also doesn't sour the back catalogue. I also felt the way you feel about David Byrne until I saw him live a few years ago when he was touring "The Songs Of Eno & Byrne," and it remains one of the best live shows I have ever seen. Even loved that recent record. But, yes. Byrne's usually under my skin.

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    1. I love Byrne's records from '89 - 2001, so that's enough to keep me happy.

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  15. William is right on with Rod Stewart. If we're talking about poisoning the well, that's the one. As much as I might be let down by their later work, I can proudly listen to the best work of Prince Elvis Costello, Lou Reed, Paul Westerberg, etc etc and feel the thrill of something great. Still. But, as brilliant as Rod Stewart was from (let's say) 1969- 1975 (and that's pushing it), he has been so incredibly awful ever since that I just can't listen to the good stuff without some terrible regret. His bad stuff is so bad that it's made the good stuff bad.

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  16. Yes. Back in the '70s, when I got a radio of my own and fled my mother's Top 40 stations, I stumbled across them and was floored. I had never heard music like that: music that demanded more than three minutes of your time and half of your attention. Prog rock has always had its detractors, but the fact is early Yes taught me to pay attention to everything that was happening in a piece of music.

    Unfortunately, they went downhill. It all started going awry to varying degrees after Close to the Edge, really. Tales from Topographic Oceans is overblown, Going for the One too gushy, and let's not even talk about Tormato. 90125 is a decent piece of work, but everything after that...forget it. What was once spacious, evocative, complex, and challenging has degenerated into soulless, bar-coded product. By now, they have more albums I don't like than albums I do like. I still listen to the old stuff and love it, but I really wouldn't shed a tear if these guys finally decided to hang it up.

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  17. I am with you Sal. It is Prince because I love him so fiercely. You sort of read my mind so I don't have much to add really. I thought about this, it's harder for me to write about the negative, so it takes some energy to do so, and it had to be someone I really love no matter what, and the only "disappointment" (I guess) on that level is Prince. I will always go back to his well. He is so gifted, you just know if he gets his head in the right place musically another brilliant work will be born. His concerts rival Bruce's. He can be so electrifying. I don't think that spark dies, or at least I hope it doesn't.

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  18. Rod Stewart "wins". He is worse than Lou. Ian McLagan told me Rod never even called to say thanks for putting together "Five Guys Walk Into A Bar".

    Yes lost it when Bill Bruford left, after "Close To The Edge". "Tale From Topographic Oceans" is on my list of all-time disapointing followups, along with Television's "Adventure", The Clash's "Give 'Em Enough Rope", and Cheap Tricks's "In Color".


    I never liked the Adrian Belew incarnation of King Crimson until I heard a live version of "Indiscipline" that really got me. Again, bands suffer when Bill Bruford leaves. The drummer really matters. The guy left in KC can play, but is dull, dull, dull.

    I've never given any thought to Jimmy Buffett, except "White Sport Coat And A Pink Crustacean", and "Living and Dying in 3/4 Time" are great titles. And a "Cheeseburger In Paradise" is simply a good idea, as long as it comes with a beer. Jeff K's comment makes me want to hear some of that early stuff.

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  19. OK, I might consider revising my vote from Elvis Costello to Rod Stewart. He didn't come up earlier because Rod dropped off my radar *so many years ago* (I think the last full album I listened to was "Tonight I'm Yours") -- that I have no reference to what he's currently released, but the concept of what he's done in the last 10 years has turned me off in general. When CDs came out, the only Rod I ever repicked up on CD was the "Storyteller" box set -- which is really, really great, so the well isn't poisoned for me for those songs.

    At some level, he's like Brian Wilson mentioned above. I found his solo albums sad and dull (and makes me continue to wish the Wondermints would make a new album), but doesn't disuade my love for the Beach Boys stuff...

    But back to Elvis: I keep trying recent EC releases, and I still find them completely forgettable. That may not mean that *every song* on every album is phoned in, but it just means nothing he does speaks to me any more. I think Bruce Thomas must have challenged EC while in the band and nobody else is currently doing that. That, or married life has made him soft (like it does for so many of us...) ;-)

    Many of the comments are straying from "artist" to "bands", though. I could probably come up with more bands, but the King Crimson comments are spot on, actually, but that's a band that I left after the first Belew years and never really came back as I think my musical tastes changed and I don't listen/enjoy as much Prog as I did when I was younger...) But I do actually find when old KC songs (or Yes songs) come up on the shuffle, I usually skip them, so maybe I just don't like that stuff any more...

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  20. If I had to address the one thing that really bothers me about post 1995 Elvis, is that he is either writing songs out of his vocal range, or he has simply lost the ability to sing the way he used. Everything, including "Painted From Memory" which I LOVE, sounds labored. He always had that type of voice, but it has gotten worse as he's aged.

    If the T-Bone Burnett, faux-country records are not your thing, I suggest revisiting "Momofuku." That LP came and went without a sound, and it's fantastic.

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  21. I loved "My Aim Is True". I saw Elvis, Rockpile, and Mink Deville twice on that tour.
    I really disliked "This Year's Model", at the time I thought it amplified all my least favorite elements of "MAIT". I bought "Armed Forces", and then made a t-shirt that said "i hate elvis costello", moved to Hollywood and began my brief career as an l.a.punk.
    And then there was the whole Ray Charles incident.
    In 2004 Sal was playing "Delivery Man" in the store and I bought it.
    Over the next 6 weeks or so I bought almost everything up to that point, taking advantage of all the bonus material in the reissues. The he reissued "Delivery Man" with an extra disc. That ended my interest in more EC. One of these days I'm going to have to listen to some of those cd's I bought.

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  22. Argh, I wrote a long response that apparently I didn't post correctly and disappeared. The essence was: agree on Prince (altho' I kinda like that new song), and Elvis Costello is easily my biggest one I've soured on.
    - A walk in the woods

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  23. rod stewart. yeah. i'm torn between suggesting we just give it to rod by (dis)acclamation and suggesting that what rod did was less poisoning the well than it was a musical chernobyl and thus rod wins not this category but one orders of magnitude worse.

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  24. I cannot disagree with any of the Rod Stewart comments. And please, keep'em coming. But...the one main reason I can't just "give it to Rod" is that I can still listen to the first 2 Jeff Beck records, all of the Faces records and the first 5 Rod solos albums with great enthusiasm.

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  25. Seconding Sal's shout out to Momofuko...

    Bruce H

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  26. I agree with 'Jeff K', that Jimmy Buffett has been coasting for 30+ years. I discoverd him as a HS senior in 1977, and was floored by 'A1A', and Living and Dying in 3/4 Time'. It's hard to believe the man who wrote the touching tribute to his grandfather, 'The Captain and The Kid' could write something as vapid as 'I Wish Lunch Could Last Forever' Embarrassing.
    I second (or third) the comments on Van Morrison, Rod Stewart. I've also lost patience with the Drive By Truckers, The Bevis Frond, Steve Earle, and Julian Cope - as much as I still love all of their early to mid period work, they've been putting out the same album for years.

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  27. Salutes to Jeff K for naming a "non-cool" artist.

    I don't know if I really have someone here.

    I pretty much gave up on McCartney around the time of "Getting Closer" (rhyme of "my salamander") but I know he has done some at least pretty good stuff since then. I have some of it and even listen to it.

    On Elvis C, the general rule for me was that his collaborations or stretches into other genres sucked but his "real" records were just the usual ups-and-downs of a great artist after he has passed his peak. Mofuku (or whatever it was called) was real good and the Touissant collaboration proves that rule doesn't always apply.

    I got fanatical about Prince, even going collector style to get the 45's because like any great one he had B-sides. He slowly let me down, then rapidly never got me back. Every so often when I was hating my job and spending a lot of time in used music stores to avoid being there I would look at all of those Prince 2-CD and 3-Cd sets I had never heard at ridiculously low prices and think "there MUST be something good on there." Advice: not good enough to be worth my time (or yours).

    Springsteen disappointed me for awhile, but he came back strong (not including the latest). I still have faith.

    I'm sure there is someone and when I get home and gave at the various locations of my record "collections" I will get an "aha" moment and say, "yes, they/he/she really did let me down," but right now I don't have anyone.

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  28. Keith Jarrett. He has a get-out-of-jail-free card, tho, since the change in his work was dictated by surviving chronic fatigue syndrome. I idolized everything he did - the early trio, the American and European quartets, the church organ album, the electric period (thanks to the release of Miles' Cellar Door Sessions, I finally understood what Bitches Brew was all about), the resulting anti-electric manifesto, the op-ed in Downbeat slamming Marsalis and the New Traditionalists, most of the classical music (the Handel Suites and Shostakovich Preludes are the most accessible) and even forgave the stories of his lecturing of audiences on how to behave. However, he's written nothing new since recovering from his illness - he's explained that it takes too much out of him. Since then, he's approaching 8 albums by the Standards Trio and 5 solo concert albums, all improvised, and I wonder why bother? That part is documented and it's not adding anything. Rather, it's turned what was special about him into a run-on joke.

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    1. Fascinating! I don't really know Jarrett's music much, so this makes me want to check out some of his older stuff.
      - A Walk In The Woods

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  29. Springsteen has been a major disappointment since Human Touch / Lucky Town. It's been bottom of the barrel since then. As well I thought Born In The USA was the nadir but he redeemed himself with his next three releases.

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  30. "I suggest revisiting "Momofuku." That LP came and went without a sound, and it's fantastic."

    Great call! I just tracked this down and I'm absolutely stunned both by how good it is and the fact that I never knew it even existed.

    As for the topic at hand...I have to go with Brian Wilson. I know it's the result of illness, etc., so it's not that I'm unsympathetic, but I just find it impossible to listen to anything he's done in the past decade or two without cringing mightily. The fall from genius is just to great to bear.

    Stewart wins hands down for churning out nothing but crap, however. (At least Brian still tries.)

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  31. Damn...should have been "*too* great to bear."

    I hate when that happens.

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  32. Has Brian Wilson put out a solo album as good as "Pet Sounds" or "Today" or "Friends"? Nope. But I don't want to live in a world without "Love and Mercy" or "Lay Down Burden" or "Melt Away" or "Summer's Gone" or "From There To Back Again," the latter two from a brand new record. And as Steves puts it, "At least Brian still tries."

    After the first four albums or so, I thought Elton John was a major artist. I was even with him through the disco era, although the albums got progressively weaker. But where is he now? In Las Vegas, going through the motions.

    Prince is a special case, in my opinion. He peaked so early and was so prolific that somehow don't have the same anger as I do with Elton John.

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  33. Brian's "get out of jail card" is mental illness.

    I still think Rod's winning this race.

    If we were older, then the other Elvis would be a contender.

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  34. One more point. The difference between Rod's good work and bad is much greater than the difference between good and bad Prince.

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  35. So we're talking divorce here. An artist that has disappointed you so badly that you can't even listen to the early stuff. I was that way for a while with Queen. Loved the first six albums, and was a huge fan. When they became commercialized and more "danceable" I left in a huff. I even stopped listening to their early album. I finally came back for their last touching album with Mercury. I think that the problem for me was that my tastes had changed so significantly over the years that their early music had become devalued for me. I recently started listening to their music again, as much for the nostalgic thrill as their excellent music. My point, I guess is that when we stop listening it is as often a shift in our own values as a change in the artists.

    As to Elvis Costello. I am still a huge fan. Though he is not the angry young cynical man he once was, neither am I. I have enjoyed his take on growing up and growing old. Not every song is great, but his surety with lyrics and melody overcome most of my qualms.

    Listened to the new Mark Knopfler album. I was disappointed because it sounded like...Mark Knopfler. Some of the same licks and themes. A closer listen revealed a very good album. We vilify musicians when they change and are disappointed when they don't change enough. Go figure.

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  36. I can't say anyone has ever poisoned the well so bad I couldn't listen to the early stuff anymore. Even Rod. I think of him as someone who retired in 1974.
    Anonymous got me thinking about Queen. I stopped listening after "A Night At The Opera". Two or three years ago I listened to "Sheer Heart Attack" for the first time since 1976. Wow! "Now I'm Here" blew me away. I even learned to play it, and cobbled together a plagiarized pastiche my band nicknamed "60% Queen". I acquired all the early albums and made a killer queen compilation, which I enjoyed until one day I was in the car with my 11 year old daughter. She asked me never to play that music again, so much did she hate the vocals. I couldn't argue with her. Then I heard a recording of Paul Rogers and Queen. OUCH! That's as close to poisoning the well as I get. I don't listen to "Queen II", but I remember it was pretty good.

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  37. Not that anyone cares, but like buzzbaby above I can't think of anyone who has truly poisoned the well to the extent that they ruined the early stuff too. My dislike of Brian Wilson's solo work hasn't diminished my love for the Beach Boys through Sunflower or so. Same with late Rod vs. early Rod, although you get the feeling that Rod could put out good albums now if put his mind to it whereas Brian is doing the best he can.

    Speaking of which, someone in an earlier Dylan thread was saying Bob should hire someone else to sing his songs. A silly idea (was the writer joking?) and I actually like Bob's present-day croak, but all that said, I'd love to hear Rod to a record of later-day Dylan.

    Bruce H.

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  38. By the way... thanks sal. You have paved the way for intelligent conversation about topics I'm passionate about. It's just like standing in the record store again. I miss the smell of fresh vinyl though!

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  39. That's why it's called "Burning Love", innit?

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  40. Here's an artist who went from favorite to nobody as fast as you can say Scientology: Beck

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  41. I vote for (or is it against rod the former mod stewart

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  42. Blink 182 is mine. Used to love the stuff, but now I can hardly listen to it.

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